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Rotas - Why don't we allow Doctors to plan their lives?

I'm a junior doctor. I'm 25. I have friends who work for all types of businesses. They work long hours, not as many nights but they do work hard. 

But they're treated with respect. They get their rotas on time, they know when they'll be expected to work and can plan holidays. 

I found out my rota for August-December at the start of July. I have no idea what I will be doing after the 4th December this year. I don't know if I can plan a holiday with my partner for April, I can't book flights, I don't know if I can go to my best friend's wedding on the 8th December - the list goes on. 

There is absolutely no reason this has to be the case. 

Your NHS managers will tell you that it allows them workforce planning. Makes them more flexible, agile and allows them to change rotas if they need to. They never do this in the middle of a year, and they shouldn't. They'll tell you they can't give rotas until all their trainees are confirmed. They'll say they can't be fixed because things change. All of this is nonsense. 

A commitment to providing doctors with a year's worth of rota in advance, to ensure they can plan their lives would do much to boost morale. It would do much to make them feel valued and realise that their job is compatible with their personal lives. We should not pretend that the current alternative is acceptable, because it really isn't. 




Chloe Gillum 4 months ago

This is exactly the same case for Nurses I have no rota past the first week of October, trying to plan dinner for a family members birthday is a nightmare with such short notice given in regards to our rotas. The only way I can ensure I can go to friends weddings is by using my annual leave and booking it a year in advance.

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Mark Johnson 3 months ago

Luckily you can use your annual leave like this. Doctors don't even get this opportunity.

If I want to have a friend's wedding off work I just have to sacrifice a lamb to the gods, send a pigeon to Zeus and hope that the gods look down on me kindly. It shouldn't be this way.

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Jamie 4 months ago

Give an ultimatum? "either you give me my shifts now, or I won't do any"

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Mark Johnson 3 months ago

But realistically this doesn't work, because most doctors aren't 'bold' enough to do this. Why would I compromise patient care? That's the issue, doctors are too nice and we rely upon people such as the Health Secretary to do something about this crap... because realistically the options open to ourselves are minimal.

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Matt Hancock 3 months ago

Mark, you are absolutely right that the current situation isn’t great and we need to make it work better. I share your concern that many NHS staff don’t have the ability to plan or make commitments in their life due to a number of the challenges you highlight.

For junior doctors, we’re aware that the ability of rota managers to plan rotas may depend on the logistics of rotations (recruitment timing and length of placements) but some trusts are able to give greater notice and I want to see other trusts following suit.

Regarding flexible rostering more generally, we are working with trusts to ensure that they are establishing effective rostering practices and using electronic rostering and mobile shift-booking apps to give healthcare staff more control and flexibility over their lives. We know there are some trusts doing excellent things to promote this across different staff groups and working to improve rota management for doctors.

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Mark Johnson 3 months ago

Hi Matt,

Many thanks for your reply.

My trust does have e-rostering in place, and it works well - useful app, and ok interface to use. However, importantly it doesn't solve the problem I outline. I still do not have a rota for my placement starting in December. I still cannot tell my best friend I can attend her wedding, or take holiday with my partner.

I also would urge you not to be taken in by the standard 'NHS excuse' of 'recruitment timing and length of placements'. My trust knows how many trainees there will be in my department in December, and they have done since at least August. Similarly, they do for my colleagues in other departments. It is all about planning. You would actually find there are savings to be had if NHS trusts were forced to plan their workforce at least a year in advance. Many trusts appear to 'suddenly' realise they have a rota gap when they come to issue rotas 6 weeks out (the statutory amount of time contained within the 2016 Junior Doctor contract) - requiring them to at least attempt to cover with high-cost locum posts, rather than 'trust grade' posts which are significantly cheaper.

Matt, you will know how volatile the contract disputes became. But the key issue for most Juniors is not about the money - it is about the conditions they are put under. Rotas come top of that list. If you put them close to the top of yours, you'll find a lot of your workforce problems (retention, sickness, goodwill) start to disappear!

I'd be more than happy to discuss this further - it's a really important topic for most doctors planning their future lives and considering whether it's really worth continuing in medicine to 'keep being treated like this'.

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Matt Hancock 6 days ago

Dear Mark,

Thanks for the really helpful reply. It was great to meet you at Milton Keynes on your shift before Christmas and discuss these issues further. Having rotas in good time for your next placement is an issue that I have heard a number of times on #TalkhealthandCare and is so important so you are able to plan your life. I completely get how important this is and when to get this right. And part of e-rostering is not just to inform you of your rota on new technology, but allow you to choose your slots. Does it do that yet?

NHS Improvement, in collaboration with NHS employers and Health Education England have been working to improve this on the back of the junior doctors’ dispute as part of their ‘Streamlining’ workstream. While there has been progress, there is still work to do to and I have asked my team to look into this further to see what can be done to ensure an improved process is in place.

Again, thank you for your input and I will keep you updated.

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